TRADE DEADLINE March 21st

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Edmundson will be back in next game. We just saw Lehkonen and Poehling go down with injury tonight. The Habs would be dumb to continue to play Chiarot. Either deal him now or sit him for the next 2-3 games before the deadline. Nothing to gain by playing him and everything to lose.

Ben Chiarot played a team-leading 26:32 minutes and sets up the game-tying goal in what might be his last game as a Montreal Canadiens. Three more to go before the trade deadline. Maybe he plays one more. But we'll see......Yes, Best to Rest him!

[ramcharger440]

8 hours ago, electron58 said:

Ben Chiarot played a team-leading 26:32 minutes and sets up the game-tying goal in what might be his last game as a Montreal Canadiens. Three more to go before the trade deadline. Maybe he plays one more. But we'll see......Yes, Best to Rest him!

No kidding if we are for sure not going to resign him then it is Russian roulette to play him!

[electron58]

This trade deadline may be a bit different from the rest in that, so far, teams have asked for and prefer 2023 draft picks as compensation over picks from the upcoming 2022 Draft. They are seen as more valuable – and that includes later-round picks, not just the first-round.

[H_T_L]

Colorado just picked up a D from Anaheim so i'm guessing  Chiarot is off the table for them if they were looking this way.

[BigTed3]

9 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Colorado just picked up a D from Anaheim so i'm guessing  Chiarot is off the table for them if they were looking this way.

Market is set with this move. Anaheim retained 50% on Manson, but Chiarot is making even less than Manson and has better numbers, so he should be worth more than Manson as long as we also retain 50%. Manson was traded for a 2023 2nd rounder (seen as more valuable than a 2022 2nd rounder by most draft experts) and a recent 2nd rounder in Drew Helleson, who is a reasonably decent RHD prospect. So this trade pretty much falls in line with what a market that would set Chiarot's value as being a 1st rounder plus another asset. Manson was essentially moved for two 2nd's, so the Habs should get more than that. It could be something like

- a 2022 1st rounder + a prospect like Helleson

- a 2023 1st rounder + a slightly lesser prospect

- a recent 1st rounder like a Xavier Bourgeault or a Jakob Pelleiter or a Mavrik Bourque or a Jake Neighbours plus a late 2nd rounder or 2023 3rd rounder

My guess is that Hughes favors something like the last type of trade where the prospect is the equivalent of a 1st rounder and the pick is lower down. If the trade return isn't markedly better than what Manson brought in, then it's a fail for Hughes, but I think the Manson deal sets a good market for Chiarot's worth.

Arizona also announced now that Chychrun will be out 2-4 weeks, so he won't be of much help to a team making a playoff run (like an Edmonton or Vancouver or Dallas or Nashville), he's likely only of value to a team already in the playoffs comfortably. So it helps Chiarot's market too.

[BigTed3]

The other question I have about the Manson trade is what this means for Sam Girard in Colorado. He's hurt right now and out about 4 weeks, as is Landeskog. But those players will count against the cap before the season ends. Colorado now has down the right side Makar, Eric Johnson, and Manson. Down the left side they have Toews, Byram (when back), Murray, and Jack Johnson, and then they have a reserve type floater in MacDermid and they have Girard. Yes, Girard is a useful player to them, but is he expendable? It sounds like he was in rumors beforehand. I wonder if Colorado wouldn't be interested in flipping Girard to get forward help. In our case, could a player like Drouin or Lehkonen be of interest to them if we were to throw in Kulak as a cheaper alternative to Girard? Not saying I would or would not make that type of trade, but I think Lehkonen + Kulak for Girard is something both teams would consider.

[maas_art]

25 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Market is set with this move. Anaheim retained 50% on Manson, but Chiarot is making even less than Manson and has better numbers, so he should be worth more than Manson as long as we also retain 50%. Manson was traded for a 2023 2nd rounder (seen as more valuable than a 2022 2nd rounder by most draft experts) and a recent 2nd rounder in Drew Helleson, who is a reasonably decent RHD prospect. So this trade pretty much falls in line with what a market that would set Chiarot's value as being a 1st rounder plus another asset. Manson was essentially moved for two 2nd's, so the Habs should get more than that. It could be something like

- a 2022 1st rounder + a prospect like Helleson

- a 2023 1st rounder + a slightly lesser prospect

- a recent 1st rounder like a Xavier Bourgeault or a Jakob Pelleiter or a Mavrik Bourque or a Jake Neighbours plus a late 2nd rounder or 2023 3rd rounder

My guess is that Hughes favors something like the last type of trade where the prospect is the equivalent of a 1st rounder and the pick is lower down. If the trade return isn't markedly better than what Manson brought in, then it's a fail for Hughes, but I think the Manson deal sets a good market for Chiarot's worth.

Arizona also announced now that Chychrun will be out 2-4 weeks, so he won't be of much help to a team making a playoff run (like an Edmonton or Vancouver or Dallas or Nashville), he's likely only of value to a team already in the playoffs comfortably. So it helps Chiarot's market too.

How about Chiarot + Lehkonen to the Rags  for Lafreniere ?

[campabee82]

8 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The other question I have about the Manson trade is what this means for Sam Girard in Colorado. He's hurt right now and out about 4 weeks, as is Landeskog. But those players will count against the cap before the season ends. Colorado now has down the right side Makar, Eric Johnson, and Manson. Down the left side they have Toews, Byram (when back), Murray, and Jack Johnson, and then they have a reserve type floater in MacDermid and they have Girard. Yes, Girard is a useful player to them, but is he expendable? It sounds like he was in rumors beforehand. I wonder if Colorado wouldn't be interested in flipping Girard to get forward help. In our case, could a player like Drouin or Lehkonen be of interest to them if we were to throw in Kulak as a cheaper alternative to Girard? Not saying I would or would not make that type of trade, but I think Lehkonen + Kulak for Girard is something both teams would consider.

Players on IR can't be traded can they? I believe I read somewhere in the CBA that was the case.

[H_T_L]

5 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Players on IR can't be traded can they? I believe I read somewhere in the CBA that was the case.

Teams have picked up injured players in the past for cap relief. 

[campabee82]

2 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Teams have picked up injured players in the past for cap relief. 

Yeah, I just looked and it is allowed. I just thought I read it somewhere in the past lol

[Regis22]

19 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The other question I have about the Manson trade is what this means for Sam Girard in Colorado. He's hurt right now and out about 4 weeks, as is Landeskog. But those players will count against the cap before the season ends. Colorado now has down the right side Makar, Eric Johnson, and Manson. Down the left side they have Toews, Byram (when back), Murray, and Jack Johnson, and then they have a reserve type floater in MacDermid and they have Girard. Yes, Girard is a useful player to them, but is he expendable? It sounds like he was in rumors beforehand. I wonder if Colorado wouldn't be interested in flipping Girard to get forward help. In our case, could a player like Drouin or Lehkonen be of interest to them if we were to throw in Kulak as a cheaper alternative to Girard? Not saying I would or would not make that type of trade, but I think Lehkonen + Kulak for Girard is something both teams would consider.

I heard on radio today that Colorado will put LANDESKOG on LTIR just before or just after trade deadline - this will free up another $7 million for them on top of the $ 4 they already have 

Dont ask me how or why that's what Kypreos and Co. were saying today 

 

[claremont]

43 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

I heard on radio today that Colorado will put LANDESKOG on LTIR just before or just after trade deadline - this will free up another $7 million for them on top of the $ 4 they already have 

Dont ask me how or why that's what Kypreos and Co. were saying today 

I would bet heavily on Colorado picking up Giroux as Landeskog insurance and depth

[BigTed3]

48 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

I heard on radio today that Colorado will put LANDESKOG on LTIR just before or just after trade deadline - this will free up another $7 million for them on top of the $ 4 they already have 

Dont ask me how or why that's what Kypreos and Co. were saying today 

 

It saves them money NOW. So they can add a player making Landeskog's money while he's out. But when he comes back, they'd have to get back under the cap... unless he's out for the entire regular season like Kucherov, since there's no cap in the playoffs. But given Colorado just announced Landeskog and Girard would both be expected back in about 4 weeks, they can't count the LTIR on Landeskog through the entire season.

3 minutes ago, claremont said:

I would bet heavily on Colorado picking up Giroux as Landeskog insurance and depth

Lebrun reporting Colorado still interested in Giroux but don't have the cap space, so they're trying to make something work. Philly is apparently not super interested in retaining salary, and Giroux wants to wait until after his 1000th game tomorrow regardless. But Avs look like they'll need a 3rd team to 1. be an intermediary to take on some of Giroux's salary and 2. maybe take back a player to remove cap from Colorado too.

Now as I said, maybe they could shop Girard. Maybe they'd shop Erik Johnson, who is making 6M for this year and next but could be expendable with Manson being added. Could also mean trying to move Compher or Jost. The problem is that Colorado has very few picks left to move over the next two drafts and very few top prospects other than Justin Barron (and I doubt they intend to move him after trading Helleson). So the compensation to a 3rd team is likely not going to be very impressive.

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2 hours ago, campabee82 said:

Yeah, I just looked and it is allowed. I just thought I read it somewhere in the past lol

I think you may have read injured players can't be bought out. 

[BigTed3]

Some rumors that the Habs had scouts at two LA games recently as well as scouts at their AHL affiliate Reign game. We know Bergevin knows our roster. We know he likes guys like Chiarot. We know the Kings need D men. Could Bergevin also like Edmundson or Petry? Don't know, but there seems to be some smoke around this. I'd be excited about the Kings prospect pool and while Clarke is a pipe dream, I've detailed before how Helge Grans could be a reasonable target (akin to the Ducks grabbing Helleson for Manson). I still do think Chiarot is worth more than Manson, and his contract hit is a bit better too (with 50% retained). So if it's a player like Grans (or Faber) that's the key prospect coming back, I think there also needs to be a 1st rounder included. Maybe we'd need to include something going back, but maybe

Chiarot + 3rd rounder for Grans + 1st rounder

[BigTed3]

These are my odds on where Chiarot ends up:

- Stl 30%

- LA 20%

- Edm 10%

- Cgy 10%

- Fla 10%

- Tor 5%

- NYR 5%

- Dal, Pit, and Nsh all < 5%

[campabee82]

Chiarot to sit vs Coyotes, typically this only happens when a trade is imminent or close as the NHL and PA do not like players to sit for extended periods when healthy.

[maas_art]

Yeah MLS said Chairot sitting is a "management decision" 

Rumours on twitter suggesting he's getting traded to the blues & they are just working out details but the wording was a "hefty return" to montreal.  Probably all fluff but I know this account has broken some legit rumours in the past... stay tuned. 

[BornToBeAHab]

17 hours ago, maas_art said:

How about Chiarot + Lehkonen to the Rags  for Lafreniere ?

I like it , but a trade for Brendan Schieder and the Russian kid would work to

[jennifer_rocket]

55 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Yeah MLS said Chairot sitting is a "management decision" 

Rumours on twitter suggesting he's getting traded to the blues & they are just working out details but the wording was a "hefty return" to montreal.  Probably all fluff but I know this account has broken some legit rumours in the past... stay tuned. 

I like the sounds of "hefty return!" 

[rkgoalie]

looks like he is gone   https://www.tsn.ca/ben-chiarot-montreal-canadiens-trade-deadline-1.1771067

[BigTed3]

Colorado just cap-dumped Tyson Jost to Minnesota for Nico Sturm (who makes minimum wage and can be buried in the minors). Looks like another move brewing in Denver.

[claremont]

36 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Colorado just cap-dumped Tyson Jost to Minnesota for Nico Sturm (who makes minimum wage and can be buried in the minors). Looks like another move brewing in Denver.

I have to admire Joe Sakic as a GM - I believe he's one of the more astute in the game and pulling off a trade within your division is gutsy. Guerin plays the high stakes game too after dumping Suter and Parise for his compete window, and trading with the #1 team in their division. IMO Minnesota wins this mini-trade as Jost should have more upside than Sturm who is a UFA. Jost has term and RFA status, is almost 3 years younger. Point production, roles and position are almost even. Sakic doesn't really care about making Minny perhaps a bit better, - he's playing the compete window / reach for the sky now. 

Sakic has weaponized some room of $7M for Landeskog- LTIR (figure they go after Giroux - $8.3M of room unless Philly retains a mini-portion of salary), and he's carrying 9 defensemen - 2 of which could be jettisoned to the minors for another $1.5M, and they already have $$2.6M of room. They have 12 forwards of which Sturm may not be critical. I could see them taking a run at another forward beyond Giroux. The question now becomes what does Sakic have to give up within his prospect pool or roster, as his 2022 1st and 2nd round picks are gone. Shane Bowers 28th overall - 2018 has been on a treadmill going nowhere. Oskar Olausson - 28th pick 2021, (left shot playing RW) has some promise, and Justin Barron (#25 overall 2020) as a RHD has some upside. These could be gone with the Giroux Trade. I wonder if LHD / RHD Samuel Girard at $5M for the next 5 years will be in play. 

[maas_art]

Chiarot sure is peaking at the right time.

Since Feb 21 (his last 9 games):  

Thats crazy that he's top 10 in the nhl in points, even strenght points, +/- and short handed time and top 15 in TOI. 

Well done Ben!  Team player for sure, helping us maximize his return!

[BigTed3]

Lots of scouts there tonight, given two bottom-feeders with players to sell... Washington has two guys again, and the rumors we've heard are largely centered around Lehkonen from our end. They stole Eller from us, and I think the project Lehkonen as being another guy they could bank on as a key 3rd-liner with Eller. Also there are teams like Ott, NJ, Van, and Chi, which don't make as much sense, and then Edm, Nas, Pit, NYR, and TB. They're not there to see Chiarot any more, so are some of these teams looking at guys like Kulak, Hoffman, Edmundson, Petry, or Armia (linked to Pit and TB). And maybe Vancouver might have an eye out for Gallagher.