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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Playing well enough to be noticed of late.

This kid has really blossomed under MSL. Since his goal he's really kicked it up a couple notches. 

Is it just me ??

Not just you. I've noticed it too. 

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TSN was just talking about how confident he looked. 

"So far" if he keeps playing this way, IMO, he's earned another contract.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

Playing well enough to be noticed of late.

This kid has really blossomed under MSL. Since his goal he's really kicked it up a couple notches. 

Is it just me ??

Schueneman is proving why you don't need to give long-term contracts to depth players. You can find a Romanov, Kulak, Wideman, or Schueneman to play your 3rd pairing on the cheap. Schueneman is working his way into the mix for a spot on the roster next year. He'll still have a lot of work to do though, but he's in the discussion.

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1 minute ago, AH64 said:

trade kulak keep shueneman. i like what ive been seeing from him so far.

Probably not mutually exclusive to each other. Kulak's been playing the right side with Romanov and the coaches seem to like him. Sounds like Petry will be traded by the start of next year, Wideman is a UFA, and Savard is useless. So what does that leave us with going into next season: Romanov, Edmundson, and maybe Guhle and/or Harris. There are spots aplenty to be won and room for both Kulak and Schueneman in the top 7 if the Habs so choose.

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15 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Probably not mutually exclusive to each other. Kulak's been playing the right side with Romanov and the coaches seem to like him. Sounds like Petry will be traded by the start of next year, Wideman is a UFA, and Savard is useless. So what does that leave us with going into next season: Romanov, Edmundson, and maybe Guhle and/or Harris. There are spots aplenty to be won and room for both Kulak and Schueneman in the top 7 if the Habs so choose.

Yeah I have to agree with this, we will need to keep a couple of spare parts around for sure. I feel we will trade Petry and I have a feeling we will pick up Letang there is history there and there has been some smoke around this story, not sure how I feel about it but we will see. I think the talk about free agents in the offseason has to be about Dmen it is where we are weakest so it makes sense in the short term as long as we have a spot for rookies to work their way in.

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2 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Yeah I have to agree with this, we will need to keep a couple of spare parts around for sure. I feel we will trade Petry and I have a feeling we will pick up Letang there is history there and there has been some smoke around this story, not sure how I feel about it but we will see. I think the talk about free agents in the offseason has to be about Dmen it is where we are weakest so it makes sense in the short term as long as we have a spot for rookies to work their way in.

I also think Letang coming here is going to be high on Hughes list. That said, I wonder if Letang's preference isn't to simply stay in Pittsburgh. I believe we could be his second choice, but I'm sure it's also to his advantage to use us as leverage to get the Pens to give him the biggest offer they can. I think if he gets what he wants from Pittsburgh he'll stay there. So if I'm the Habs, I don't think we can count on Letang coming here, and as I've posted before, Letang for 5 years x 7M AAV on a 35+ contract is a disastrous move that isn't an upgrade on having 3 years left for Petry.

And regardless of whether it's Letang or Petry here next year, there are still a lack of quality D men. As was the custom under Bergevin, he's left us with a plethora of 4-5 D men like Edmundson and Romanov, incoming inexperienced rookies, and journeymen without any NHL value. So despite having some exciting forwards and perhaps the return of quality goaltending next year if Allen and/or Price are healthy, the D will remain the rate-limiting step on how we'll fare.

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4 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Probably not mutually exclusive to each other. Kulak's been playing the right side with Romanov and the coaches seem to like him. Sounds like Petry will be traded by the start of next year, Wideman is a UFA, and Savard is useless. So what does that leave us with going into next season: Romanov, Edmundson, and maybe Guhle and/or Harris. There are spots aplenty to be won and room for both Kulak and Schueneman in the top 7 if the Habs so choose.

free agency management has said they want to sign some free agents. i personally really dislike kulak. He is way too soft. if we can get an asset for him now i would trade him.

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18 minutes ago, AH64 said:

free agency management has said they want to sign some free agents. i personally really dislike kulak. He is way too soft. if we can get an asset for him now i would trade him.

I’d trade’em too. Not even because I dislike him. But we might as well get what we can, and that goes for just about everyone. I’m not at all concerned about who we ice next year. If I had my way, I might put Savard on the first pair/power play unit while we’re at it!

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4 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Probably not mutually exclusive to each other. Kulak's been playing the right side with Romanov and the coaches seem to like him. Sounds like Petry will be traded by the start of next year, Wideman is a UFA, and Savard is useless. So what does that leave us with going into next season: Romanov, Edmundson, and maybe Guhle and/or Harris. There are spots aplenty to be won and room for both Kulak and Schueneman in the top 7 if the Habs so choose.

I presume if Petry is moved they will bring back a top 4 dman as part of the package, although I agree with you, id keep Shueneman and Kulak tbh.  Both cheap, decent depth options. 

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1 minute ago, maas_art said:

I presume if Petry is moved they will bring back a top 4 dman as part of the package, although I agree with you, id keep Shueneman and Kulak tbh.  Both cheap, decent depth options. 

I'm not sure what the return on Petry will be. It sounds like they want to get younger and it sounds like they're hoping Letang will be available to them to replace Petry if he goes. As much as we hate having Savrd here, they may well be stuck going into next season with him here too, so I don't know what current management sees as an opening and a need. if they get "futures" who area ready in 2 years, is that a win for them?

Looking at teams that have been rumored to be interested in Petry, Dallas is seeing him more as a replacement for Klingberg, so I don't see them giving us a replacement in a trade. Philly only has 5 D signed into next year, including the LTIR'd Ryan Ellis, who is one of their only two righties. They just re-signed the other one (Ristolainen) long-term. Likewise, Detroit has little NHL-established depth on D, nor does Anaheim. So unless there's a surprise team out there, I'm not sold on the fact we're getting a top 4 D man back to play the right side. Best case scenario would be if Philly decides to make Sanheim or Provorov available to us.

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21 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I'm not sure what the return on Petry will be. It sounds like they want to get younger and it sounds like they're hoping Letang will be available to them to replace Petry if he goes. As much as we hate having Savrd here, they may well be stuck going into next season with him here too, so I don't know what current management sees as an opening and a need. if they get "futures" who area ready in 2 years, is that a win for them?

Looking at teams that have been rumored to be interested in Petry, Dallas is seeing him more as a replacement for Klingberg, so I don't see them giving us a replacement in a trade. Philly only has 5 D signed into next year, including the LTIR'd Ryan Ellis, who is one of their only two righties. They just re-signed the other one (Ristolainen) long-term. Likewise, Detroit has little NHL-established depth on D, nor does Anaheim. So unless there's a surprise team out there, I'm not sold on the fact we're getting a top 4 D man back to play the right side. Best case scenario would be if Philly decides to make Sanheim or Provorov available to us.

Fair point. If the offer is a package that includes young players the team really likes then I can see them taking it regardless of positional return but I think that ideally Hughes & Gorton would like to replace Petry with a top pairing (young) dman - but maybe one thats' a year away from playing. 

I do think that HuGo thinks we can be a playoff team next year.  They wont do a half-hearted rebuild like MB did a few times but i think they feel like we're a lot further along than our record indicates so I doubt we go into the year with Romanov-Savard as our top pair or anything.  

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27 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Fair point. If the offer is a package that includes young players the team really likes then I can see them taking it regardless of positional return but I think that ideally Hughes & Gorton would like to replace Petry with a top pairing (young) dman - but maybe one thats' a year away from playing. 

I do think that HuGo thinks we can be a playoff team next year.  They wont do a half-hearted rebuild like MB did a few times but i think they feel like we're a lot further along than our record indicates so I doubt we go into the year with Romanov-Savard as our top pair or anything.  

I think a few factors go into how this plays out, but I agree with you that HuGo isn't viewing this as a long-term re-build. The first factor is how the rest of this trade deadline goes for them. I don't think they're set on trading anyone else, but if they get an offer for Lehkonen or Kulak or Allen that they like, then they could be moved and the return could play into what we do at other spots. Hughes has already made it clear that he views three top 35 picks next draft as being sufficient, and he has two in the first round the year after. So I'm not convinced he won't try to flip picks and prospects to get someone who's established but young. Will he go after a Chychrun or a Sanheim or a Lafreniere or a Kakko or an Evan Bouchard or so on? And if he gains more picks or trade assets from dumping veterans, then that might further encourage that type of trade.

Two, I think the draft plays into things to some degree, particularly that top pick of ours. The top 5 spots likely end up including at least two centers, one RHD, and one power winger. But any of those spots could theoretically be addressed. If you get a Wright or a Cooley, I think the Habs may just hold onto Dvorak as a transition 2C/3C set-up with the new guy. If they get a Slafkovsky, who is largely NHL-ready, then it's open season to flip a winger away for help. And if they get a Nemec, then maybe there's less impetus to trade other assets to get a young RHD when you know you have one coming in a year or two.

Lastly, I think it comes down to who's available in free agency. As we discussed, Letang sounds very much like it could be Plan A for Hughes. And regardless of whether people see this as a good idea or not, I wouldn't discount PK Subban coming back on a one-year prove-it deal either if Letang falls through. If Hughes lands one of those two players, then again, it may change what he wants to do with Petry. If you get neither, you can't go into next season with Savard and Brook as your plan for the right side of your defence.

Looping this all back to Schueneman, I think the overarching theme is that the D is poorly-constructed, and there will be a lot of moving parts this off-season. So I think there's room for Hughes to play this many different ways in terms of how he changes things up. To me, re-signing Kulak and giving Schueneman a look are pretty low-risk moves that create some stability on the bottom end of your D. But the big work will be how to make moves to give you what you need in the top 4. Right now, the odds are high that Romanov is playing your first pairing and Edmundson your 2nd next year. So they'll need big-time players to complement them if this isn't the downfall of the team yet again.

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17 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

I’d trade’em too. Not even because I dislike him. But we might as well get what we can, and that goes for just about everyone. I’m not at all concerned about who we ice next year. If I had my way, I might put Savard on the first pair/power play unit while we’re at it!

Kulaks gone to edmonton! :D

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16 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

I think a few factors go into how this plays out, but I agree with you that HuGo isn't viewing this as a long-term re-build. The first factor is how the rest of this trade deadline goes for them. I don't think they're set on trading anyone else, but if they get an offer for Lehkonen or Kulak or Allen that they like, then they could be moved and the return could play into what we do at other spots. Hughes has already made it clear that he views three top 35 picks next draft as being sufficient, and he has two in the first round the year after. So I'm not convinced he won't try to flip picks and prospects to get someone who's established but young. Will he go after a Chychrun or a Sanheim or a Lafreniere or a Kakko or an Evan Bouchard or so on? And if he gains more picks or trade assets from dumping veterans, then that might further encourage that type of trade.

Two, I think the draft plays into things to some degree, particularly that top pick of ours. The top 5 spots likely end up including at least two centers, one RHD, and one power winger. But any of those spots could theoretically be addressed. If you get a Wright or a Cooley, I think the Habs may just hold onto Dvorak as a transition 2C/3C set-up with the new guy. If they get a Slafkovsky, who is largely NHL-ready, then it's open season to flip a winger away for help. And if they get a Nemec, then maybe there's less impetus to trade other assets to get a young RHD when you know you have one coming in a year or two.

Lastly, I think it comes down to who's available in free agency. As we discussed, Letang sounds very much like it could be Plan A for Hughes. And regardless of whether people see this as a good idea or not, I wouldn't discount PK Subban coming back on a one-year prove-it deal either if Letang falls through. If Hughes lands one of those two players, then again, it may change what he wants to do with Petry. If you get neither, you can't go into next season with Savard and Brook as your plan for the right side of your defence.

Looping this all back to Schueneman, I think the overarching theme is that the D is poorly-constructed, and there will be a lot of moving parts this off-season. So I think there's room for Hughes to play this many different ways in terms of how he changes things up. To me, re-signing Kulak and giving Schueneman a look are pretty low-risk moves that create some stability on the bottom end of your D. But the big work will be how to make moves to give you what you need in the top 4. Right now, the odds are high that Romanov is playing your first pairing and Edmundson your 2nd next year. So they'll need big-time players to complement them if this isn't the downfall of the team yet again.

I would keep Petry over Subban every day

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47 minutes ago, CaptWelly said:

I would keep Petry over Subban every day

Me too. But if Petry were to go, I don't think there are a lot of UFA options. I think Letang is Plan A. I don't know what they would do if they traded Petry and Letang signed with the Pens.

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