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17 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Yeah we were talking about it yesterday in the 2023 draft thread because of implications it may have on the Florida UNPROTECTED 1st pick we got in the Chiarot deal ;) hehe. 

Again, Lefebvre deciding how to deploy Gudas and Staal is a dream scenario for us. Too bad Chiarot isn't still there.

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4 hours ago, maas_art said:

Yeah we were talking about it yesterday in the 2023 draft thread because of implications it may have on the Florida UNPROTECTED 1st pick we got in the Chiarot deal ;) hehe. 

Methinks we're gonna get a pretty good pick. :D

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12 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Methinks we're gonna get a pretty good pick. :D

they've definitely made a few odd moves.   Tkachuk is better than Huberdeau largely on the grounds that he is 5 years younger - this season they're probably pretty close & while Matthew is a better finisher, JH was a crucial playmaker they have now lost.  Weegar will also be missed and their defense is a little suspect... now they've got Lefebvre 'helping' with deployment & systems? This could be quite interesting. 

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1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Wow. Surprised.

I thought he would definitely be playing for another few seasons.

Surprising in one way but i imagine the offers for his hockey services were less than what he could earn out in the corporate world. 

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Wow. Surprised.

I thought he would definitely be playing for another few seasons.

Rumors that he had contract offers from teams he wasn't interested in and that he either wanted to come back to Montreal or else go to his hometown team of Toronto. Both teams said no to him.

From our end, I get the idea that he's a distraction but frankly, in a year where you're not going anywhere, I think it would have been a nice gift to the fans to bring him back. May as well create some storylines and excitement and TBH, there isn't anything happening on the right side of the defence. It's not like you're preventing a top-notch youngster from getting minutes.

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Wow. Surprised.

I thought he would definitely be playing for another few seasons.

 

3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Surprising in one way but i imagine the offers for his hockey services were less than what he could earn out in the corporate world. 

I suspect that he probably got offers.  I have ZERO doubt he could be an effective 3rd pairing/PP guy. He's easily better than Mark Streit (at probably any point in his career tbh) and he held down a regular spot until he was nearly 40.

But PK is proud. Forget his over the top personality, he's a proud guy who was, for a time, elite.  I think its tough to fall back into a 3rd pairing role when youre that player. He's made nearly $80m over his career in salary alone (+ a tonne in endorsements) so he'll be fine and i think he just felt like it was time to go out while he still had a bit of juice in the tank. 

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4 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Rumors that he had contract offers from teams he wasn't interested in and that he either wanted to come back to Montreal or else go to his hometown team of Toronto. Both teams said no to him.

From our end, I get the idea that he's a distraction but frankly, in a year where you're not going anywhere, I think it would have been a nice gift to the fans to bring him back. May as well create some storylines and excitement and TBH, there isn't anything happening on the right side of the defence. It's not like you're preventing a top-notch youngster from getting minutes.

Yeah i wouldnt have been opposed to it.  Also he likely would have had good numbers getting primary PP duties. I think there's a legit chance you could have signed him & traded him at the deadline to a team needing PP help. 

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17 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Meanwhile, Alex Galchenyuk has signed a PTO with Colorado. Let's see if he can stick there.

I wish him well. He's only 28 so a bounce back isnt out of the question. He had some stretches with the Yotes and Leafs that werent horrific but he still seems to lack the IQ to go with his skills. 

 

Makes you wonder what he would have been if he had been developed differently. And I am putting a large part of that blame on the interference from his dad, not just our development team. 

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37 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Rumors that he had contract offers from teams he wasn't interested in and that he either wanted to come back to Montreal or else go to his hometown team of Toronto. Both teams said no to him.

From our end, I get the idea that he's a distraction but frankly, in a year where you're not going anywhere, I think it would have been a nice gift to the fans to bring him back. May as well create some storylines and excitement and TBH, there isn't anything happening on the right side of the defence. It's not like you're preventing a top-notch youngster from getting minutes.

You’re right on a couple of points

1) agree would have been a nice gift to the fans and a recognized send off for his services  and charitable contribution to the Montreal hospital support 

2) He would have been a distraction to the long term goal of development 

Hughes more so than Gorton always said they wanted players to come here for the right reasons and to build the culture. In that regard I believe your point 2 out weighed the point 1

As far as the right side D weakness of Subban vs. lundqvist trade weight vs giving Wideman or Harris or Guhle a shot at the 3 RHD spot behind Savard and Barron, it appears mgmt. is willing to take that risk by development  versus overpaying for depth 

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It is interesting that PK and Webber's careers ended at pretty much the same time for different reasons but still! It would have been nice to see what he could have done here if we had been able to hang on to Marky for another year or two and get some good help on D. Personally I liked Webber but I liked Subban too they were just totally different players and personalities who brought different skillsets to the team.

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

As far as the right side D weakness of Subban vs. lundqvist trade weight vs giving Wideman or Harris or Guhle a shot at the 3 RHD spot behind Savard and Barron, it appears mgmt. is willing to take that risk by development  versus overpaying for depth 

I stil think Hughes is going to make a trade.  Even if Slaf plays in the minors all year (which i dont expect) and Byron stays on the LTIR all year (also dont expect) we have 5 forwards for each of the 4 forward positions, so, 15 guys vying for 12 spots and several prospects (Slaf, Ylonen, RHP etc) chomping at the bit to make the club.

Sure, we could dump some on waivers, or move some for picks but when upwards of 6 or 7 of those 15 forwards do not likely factor in to our long term plans, i think there's a good chance Hughes tries to package some or at least move a bad-ish contract forward for a bad-ish contract Dman.  Im not saying Id do it - and we really dont need LD help - but for example, if you had a RD version of OEL - would you trade Gallagher straight up for him?  $1.7m more per season but same contract length and OEL plays a much more important role that Gally.  Again, I wouldnt make THIS trade but there's probably a guy out there in a similar situation who would help us a lot more than Gallagher and also may allow us to jettison Savard. 

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Really do not think that P.K. Had any contract offers. That was just a bluff to see if he could get someone to bite. He may of had a PTO but nothing else. Just glad that we can move on from him playing for the Habs again. That is the very last thing we needed. All our young players coming on board do not need that presence in the dressing room. As I always say never burn your bridges it will cost you in the future. 

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8 hours ago, Regis22 said:

PK Subban

retires .  
 

Good for PK. He will be missed,  but it's nice to see a player retire,  who will probably make more money with all his outside business interests. I'm sure he had offers, but if they weren't for a legit chance at a Stanley Cup, then his choice of retirement,  is the right choice. Good Luck,  PK.

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4 hours ago, electron58 said:

Good for PK. He will be missed,  but it's nice to see a player retire,  who will probably make more money with all his outside business interests. I'm sure he had offers, but if they weren't for a legit chance at a Stanley Cup, then his choice of retirement,  is the right choice. Good Luck,  PK.

I am 100% glad to see not be back here. I actually am surprised he got no offers? I believe he has done some good things the children's hospital and the work he did in Nashville, uniting underprivileged kids and families with first responders. There must of been something about the way he did his business that rubbed teams wrong though. Hockey still has an old school mentality and most don't appreciate individual 'branding" showcasing whatever over team first. It's actually one of the things I like about hockey. I hate the me, me ,me attitude of Basketball and other sports. Hardly do any other sports players ever take less to help build a team. Every top player in most other sports always go after all they can. 

Personally I don't care if a player ever does an interview or what they do off they ice. All that said he was always a great skater and had a great shot and can pass. I do think to often the game was about him and he tried to do to much himself. He definitely did have skills though and probably could have  been a good teacher for the younger defense moving forward.  

I just don't think he ever had the attitude to do that, and Owners , GM's, Coaches saw that. If anywhere I'm surprised Vegas didn't try for him somehow. 

I do wish him the best.........but after last springs on ESPN please don't go into broadcast he was terrible. 

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^^ Again, if you believe the rumors (and who knows...), Subban did have offers from several teams but was set on picking his spot to play. He reportedly only wanted to play for Montreal or Toronto and neither one of those teams made him an offer.

The other debate that's going to come up in the future is whether Subban has done enough in his career to make the HHOF. At his peak, he was one of the best D men in the game for several years, but he did decline fairly rapidly after injuries in the past few years. That said, only one Norris winner who is eligible for the HHOF has not made it in to date, and that's Randy Carlyle. Ever other eligible Norris winner has already been inducted. Will be interesting to see if players like Subban, Doughty, and Burns are elected down the line or whether they buck the trend. Subban is a polarizing character, so it may come down to who's on the voting panel at the time.

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