Former & Retired Habs

[H_T_L]

Watched a couple of his shifts. Almost scored a second. Looking good in his debut. Good luck to him.

[rocketbelifleur]

24 minutes ago, Habberwacky said:

Scherby on pace for 50 with LA, Only the end of the first so...... getting some minutes with top lines so we'll see how long he can keep it going for

He's been playing with Kempe and Toffoli.

[maas_art]

2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Don't act like we could have kept him here, what with perennial 40-goal man Nico Deslauriers on our 4th line.

And we laugh but this is exactly why losing him sucks.   When we lost DLR no one really cared.  Why? because we have 12, maybe 14 forwards that are better than him   In Scherbak we dont really know what we had because he played so little but i think its probably safe to say he most likely brings more than what 2-3 of our regulars can possibly ever do.   That makes it frustrating.  I dont think he's going to explode & become some star but it still dumb asset management. 

[caperns61]

50 minutes ago, maas_art said:

And we laugh but this is exactly why losing him sucks.   When we lost DLR no one really cared.  Why? because we have 12, maybe 14 forwards that are better than him   In Scherbak we dont really know what we had because he played so little but i think its probably safe to say he most likely brings more than what 2-3 of our regulars can possibly ever do.   That makes it frustrating.  I dont think he's going to explode & become some star but it still dumb asset management. 

Why is it poor asset management though, there was no place to play him...4 Seasons and nothing. 

I heard these songs with Galchenyk, post after 8 games about him playing as well as Domi. Where is he now. on the wing one or 2 points in teh last 10 games and a minus player.

There were posts bragging up Carr and what a mistake that was. Whoo hoo he was top scorer in the AHL and look scored his first game with vegas.. Well guess what he has 1 goal in 6 games and a minus player.

Sherback may get a hattie tonight, Lets see where he is after 20 plus games and then when can call it a mistake.

Losing Eller and Subban were really the only fails i have seen so far. I thought Sergachev was a mistake also, but Droiun just may be finding his game..I think we can thank Domi for that. Domi brings energy and scoring and is seems to be filtering through the team.

 

[maas_art]

39 minutes ago, caperns61 said:

Why is it poor asset management though, there was no place to play him...4 Seasons and nothing. 

I heard these songs with Galchenyk, post after 8 games about him playing as well as Domi. Where is he now. on the wing one or 2 points in teh last 10 games and a minus player.

There were posts bragging up Carr and what a mistake that was. Whoo hoo he was top scorer in the AHL and look scored his first game with vegas.. Well guess what he has 1 goal in 6 games and a minus player.

Sherback may get a hattie tonight, Lets see where he is after 20 plus games and then when can call it a mistake.

Losing Eller and Subban were really the only fails i have seen so far. I thought Sergachev was a mistake also, but Droiun just may be finding his game..I think we can thank Domi for that. Domi brings energy and scoring and is seems to be filtering through the team.

 

Its poor asset management not because we lost or let the players go but rather because we didnt trade them and get something.  There is no way i believe that we couldn't have got something for Scherbak last year or even this summer. But we stretched it out, then scratched him the whole year and finally waived him.

We've done it with other players too. MB has shown that if he feels like a player isnt useful he will devalue them or just throw them away rather than turning them into prospects, picks or roster players. That is poor asset management. 

[BigTed3]

7 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Its poor asset management not because we lost or let the players go but rather because we didnt trade them and get something.  There is no way i believe that we couldn't have got something for Scherbak last year or even this summer. But we stretched it out, then scratched him the whole year and finally waived him.

We've done it with other players too. MB has shown that if he feels like a player isnt useful he will devalue them or just throw them away rather than turning them into prospects, picks or roster players. That is poor asset management. 

We could make a pretty long list of guys MB traded when their value was at its lowest:

- Galchenyuk... could have played him at center on the first line in a lost season to boost his value. Nope. Bench him, complain about his work ethic, play him in the bottom 6, decry how he can't be a center in the NHL publicly then deal him.

- Pacioretty... wait until his contract is almost up then let it leak you won't negotiate with him and don't want him back, and announced to the public that you want to change up the attitude and leadership in the room. Bravo. We lucked out with a decent return here, but even MB said this was the "best deal he could get" and that "the offers were not what he had hoped for."

- Tinordi, Pateryn, and Beaulieu... I'll lump these three together, since all of them appeared ready to take a shot at the NHL, and then we went ahead and signed Murray and Bouillon and let this trio languish in the AHL under Sylvain Lefebvre. We made it clear we were dumping Pateryn to the highest bidder after his girlfriend made a public comment and so completely devalued him there. Sure, maybe you want to trade him, but look at what Tampa did with Drouin, where despite his holdout, they just sat there and said okay, you do what you do and we'll trade you on our own terms. Beaulieu's confidence got tossed into a shredder when he got benched for every little mistake he made here, and even when he played well, he got stuffed behind lesser players in the line-up.

- Kassian... another guy who we never gave a chance to and who we made clear we were trading because of an off-ice issue when his friend crashed a car. Not sure why that means you force yourself into a trade at that moment, but anyways...

- Plekanec... a guy everyone could see was going to go downhill. Many of us talked about how we should have dealt him 3-4 years ago, and yet we let it ride out until he was a 4th line center. We got lucky to even get a 2nd rounder for him, but he's a guy who conceivably could have fetched a 1st rounder if we had acted before his value plummeted. Look at the current roster, and everyone has been saying the same thing about dealing Price, Weber, and Petry, and yet pretty good chance the team will ride all these guys out til their value is low, despite the fact we don't have the horses to be a top 5 team in the league in the next 2 years.

- Andrighetto... look a younger guy who can score points! Let's not play him and then trade him for a goon!

- Barberio... what a stellar job the guy has done filling in. Let's waive him and lose him for nothing, so we can keep lesser players, and then lets go out and get Nesterov to replace them all.

- Daniel Briere to the 4th line, turned into PAP, who ended up in the pressbox a lot and then got dumped too.

- Mike McCarron... oops.

- PK Subban, publicly ripped and berated by MT and MB at every occasion, and then they end up losing the trade in every way. He's a guy you should have been able to get much more than Weber for, but they dealt him because of attitude (i.e. Michel Therrien's bad attitude) and everyone knew it, so his value was down.

The few trades MB really impressed me with were the ones like dealing Weise/Fleischmann or trading Gorges or dumping Cole. Those were all players clearly playing above where they would be a year or two later, and we managed to get rid of them all before their values crashed. So even though people loved some of those guys at the time they were here, that's absolutely what you need to do to better your team. Play that out now, and MB needs to get rid of at least one of Weber or Petry, he needs to dump Benn and Schlemko if there's any type of a trade offer, he needs to deal Shaw before he gets another concussion or goes back to being a 4th liner taking bad penalties, he might even at some point want to look at trading Gallagher or Tatar in the next 2-3 years. But clearly there hasn't been a lot of great asset management with the way a lot of guys have been devalued and then dumped at their lowest point.

[caperns61]

1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Its poor asset management not because we lost or let the players go but rather because we didnt trade them and get something.  There is no way i believe that we couldn't have got something for Scherbak last year or even this summer. But we stretched it out, then scratched him the whole year and finally waived him.

We've done it with other players too. MB has shown that if he feels like a player isnt useful he will devalue them or just throw them away rather than turning them into prospects, picks or roster players. That is poor asset management. 

I know what your saying, but i think we overvalue our players, I am sure if they could have traded him they would have. And they could not move him last season we were in really bad shape, but with the trade for Domi and the emergence of of KotK the addition of Armia. He was outplayed and lost any chance he had to be on this team. 

So i don't think they wanted to move him last season. But things changed quickly this season and he did nothing to help himself or the Habs in moving him for another asset. 

[caperns61]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

We could make a pretty long list of guys MB traded when their value was at its lowest:

- Galchenyuk... could have played him at center on the first line in a lost season to boost his value. Nope. Bench him, complain about his work ethic, play him in the bottom 6, decry how he can't be a center in the NHL publicly then deal him.

- Pacioretty... wait until his contract is almost up then let it leak you won't negotiate with him and don't want him back, and announced to the public that you want to change up the attitude and leadership in the room. Bravo. We lucked out with a decent return here, but even MB said this was the "best deal he could get" and that "the offers were not what he had hoped for."

- Tinordi, Pateryn, and Beaulieu... I'll lump these three together, since all of them appeared ready to take a shot at the NHL, and then we went ahead and signed Murray and Bouillon and let this trio languish in the AHL under Sylvain Lefebvre. We made it clear we were dumping Pateryn to the highest bidder after his girlfriend made a public comment and so completely devalued him there. Sure, maybe you want to trade him, but look at what Tampa did with Drouin, where despite his holdout, they just sat there and said okay, you do what you do and we'll trade you on our own terms. Beaulieu's confidence got tossed into a shredder when he got benched for every little mistake he made here, and even when he played well, he got stuffed behind lesser players in the line-up.

- Kassian... another guy who we never gave a chance to and who we made clear we were trading because of an off-ice issue when his friend crashed a car. Not sure why that means you force yourself into a trade at that moment, but anyways...

- Plekanec... a guy everyone could see was going to go downhill. Many of us talked about how we should have dealt him 3-4 years ago, and yet we let it ride out until he was a 4th line center. We got lucky to even get a 2nd rounder for him, but he's a guy who conceivably could have fetched a 1st rounder if we had acted before his value plummeted. Look at the current roster, and everyone has been saying the same thing about dealing Price, Weber, and Petry, and yet pretty good chance the team will ride all these guys out til their value is low, despite the fact we don't have the horses to be a top 5 team in the league in the next 2 years.

- Andrighetto... look a younger guy who can score points! Let's not play him and then trade him for a goon!

- Barberio... what a stellar job the guy has done filling in. Let's waive him and lose him for nothing, so we can keep lesser players, and then lets go out and get Nesterov to replace them all.

- Daniel Briere to the 4th line, turned into PAP, who ended up in the pressbox a lot and then got dumped too.

- Mike McCarron... oops.

- PK Subban, publicly ripped and berated by MT and MB at every occasion, and then they end up losing the trade in every way. He's a guy you should have been able to get much more than Weber for, but they dealt him because of attitude (i.e. Michel Therrien's bad attitude) and everyone knew it, so his value was down.

The few trades MB really impressed me with were the ones like dealing Weise/Fleischmann or trading Gorges or dumping Cole. Those were all players clearly playing above where they would be a year or two later, and we managed to get rid of them all before their values crashed. So even though people loved some of those guys at the time they were here, that's absolutely what you need to do to better your team. Play that out now, and MB needs to get rid of at least one of Weber or Petry, he needs to dump Benn and Schlemko if there's any type of a trade offer, he needs to deal Shaw before he gets another concussion or goes back to being a 4th liner taking bad penalties, he might even at some point want to look at trading Gallagher or Tatar in the next 2-3 years. But clearly there hasn't been a lot of great asset management with the way a lot of guys have been devalued and then dumped at their lowest point.

The only players of any value that you mentioned are Subban, Patches and Galchenyk. The rest are AHL players, they are as interchangeable as using a twoonie for a tims coffee.

So lets look at our assest... Weber, Domi, Suziki, Tatar... We got younger except for Weber. We got more scoring and we got way better defensively, we added Byron for nothing..we got Jeff Petry for a second and a conditional 5th, We got Danualt and a second for Weis and Fleischman

It would be great to have a crystal ball to know when to trade a player and when not to, but Sam Pollock is not available anymore. You think Calgary would take back Byron?

How many teams would like to have some of the players back that they gave away to Vegas for nothing?

 

[ramcharger440]

13 hours ago, caperns61 said:

The only players of any value that you mentioned are Subban, Patches and Galchenyk. The rest are AHL players, they are as interchangeable as using a twoonie for a tims coffee.

So lets look at our assest... Weber, Domi, Suziki, Tatar... We got younger except for Weber. We got more scoring and we got way better defensively, we added Byron for nothing..we got Jeff Petry for a second and a conditional 5th, We got Danualt and a second for Weis and Fleischman

It would be great to have a crystal ball to know when to trade a player and when not to, but Sam Pollock is not available anymore. You think Calgary would take back Byron?

How many teams would like to have some of the players back that they gave away to Vegas for nothing?

 

Got to agree with this. i for one don't like to spend my time looking in the rear view mirror what is done is done time to move on. there has been some bad and some good all teams have that our biggest issue is we have not sucked long enough and bad enough to pick up a bunch of #1 draft picks like the Laffs!

[BigTed3]

16 hours ago, caperns61 said:

The only players of any value that you mentioned are Subban, Patches and Galchenyk. The rest are AHL players, they are as interchangeable as using a twoonie for a tims coffee.

So lets look at our assest... Weber, Domi, Suziki, Tatar... We got younger except for Weber. We got more scoring and we got way better defensively, we added Byron for nothing..we got Jeff Petry for a second and a conditional 5th, We got Danualt and a second for Weis and Fleischman

It would be great to have a crystal ball to know when to trade a player and when not to, but Sam Pollock is not available anymore. You think Calgary would take back Byron?

How many teams would like to have some of the players back that they gave away to Vegas for nothing?

 

Not making points here about whether we did or did not end up winning trades. Only stating that the Habs made a lot of their trades either from a position of weakness because they publicly devalued their own players or because they waited until those players' values had sunk. Everyone knows you buy low and sell high, and Bergevin has frequently sold low.

2 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Got to agree with this. i for one don't like to spend my time looking in the rear view mirror what is done is done time to move on. there has been some bad and some good all teams have that our biggest issue is we have not sucked long enough and bad enough to pick up a bunch of #1 draft picks like the Laffs!

But why would we ignore the past? You don't just bring 23 random guys onto your roster and say "I don't know anything about what you've done in the past." And similarly, you shouldn't do that with your coach, GM, etc. Marc Bergevin is still our GM, and understanding what he's done in the past and how that allows us to understand his current thinking and what he might do next is valuable. It goes for hockey, it goes for life... you should never ignore the past, it's how we all learn things and gather knowledge.

[ramcharger440]

5 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Not making points here about whether we did or did not end up winning trades. Only stating that the Habs made a lot of their trades either from a position of weakness because they publicly devalued their own players or because they waited until those players' values had sunk. Everyone knows you buy low and sell high, and Bergevin has frequently sold low.

But why would we ignore the past? You don't just bring 23 random guys onto your roster and say "I don't know anything about what you've done in the past." And similarly, you shouldn't do that with your coach, GM, etc. Marc Bergevin is still our GM, and understanding what he's done in the past and how that allows us to understand his current thinking and what he might do next is valuable. It goes for hockey, it goes for life... you should never ignore the past, it's how we all learn things and gather knowledge.

never said anything about ignoring the past. just don't like spending all my time there.

[caperns61]

 

News Flash update on Nikita Sherback

1 goal and a -2  through 5 games. 

Ice time going down, only 8.33 minutes last game on one of the worst teams in the league.

New Flash update on Daniel Carr

Back in the AHL where he belongs..

ended his stint with the big boys, 1 goal and -1 in 6 games

New Flash update on Alex Galchenyk

3 assists no goals and -5  in last 10 games 

How much assumed value did these guys have again? It looks like highway robbery getting Domi... Even if the trade was Domi for all 3 of the above....

Having skill is one thing, knowing how to bring it to the NHL on a regular basis is another. 

 

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, caperns61 said:

 

News Flash update on Nikita Sherback

1 goal and a -2  through 5 games. 

Ice time going down, only 8.33 minutes last game on one of the worst teams in the league.

New Flash update on Daniel Carr

Back in the AHL where he belongs..

ended his stint with the big boys, 1 goal and -1 in 6 games

New Flash update on Alex Galchenyk

3 assists no goals and -5  in last 10 games 

How much assumed value did these guys have again? It looks like highway robbery getting Domi... Even if the trade was Domi for all 3 of the above....

Having skill is one thing, knowing how to bring it to the NHL on a regular basis is another. 

 

News flash on PK Subban... was the best defenceman on a great team and won a Norris nomination last year.

News flash on Lars Eller... played a key role in helping his team win a Stanley Cup last season after setting personal bests with 18 goals and 38 points despite tough assignments.

News flash on Max Pacioretty... 17 points in his last 15 games.

News flash on Mikhail Sergachev... 51 points (as a D man) in 112 games since being traded to TB .

News flash on Alex Radulov... 97 points in 105 games since leaving us for Dallas.

And not sure I need to give updates about some of the players we've signed/acquired in the past couple of years, like Streit, Plekanec, Alzner, Benn, Schlemko, Deslauriers, Niemi, Martinsen, Ott, King, Nesterov, and so on. So I don't really see your point. Some of the guys we traded are under-performing, some are performing well. Some of the guys we acquired are doing well, some are stinking it up.

The point many of us have been making is that the Habs managed to misuse and devalue a number of their assets. I have no issue saying that as of right now, we won the Galchenyuk-Domi trade. Maybe that will change. Most people thought we lost the Sergachev-Drouin trade last year, and now the tables are turning a bit this season. We'll see. But that doesn't change the fact the Habs ruined their asset, developed him poorly, and in a season that was already lost, didn't try to maximize his trade value by playing him in an offensive center role. That's still bad asset management, whether the trade worked out or not.

Imagine you inherit a house (the way Bergevin inherited a 3rd overall pick that he turned into AG). And you know you don't really like where the house is located and your plan is to sell it. Now imagine instead of keeping it clean and painting it, you sit on the property for a while and don't keep it up and then publicly talk about how terrible the place is and accent all the negatives about it... well maybe you still luck out and sell it, but that doesn't discount the fact you didn't maximize your return. It was just stupid of the Habs to publicly devalue Galchenyuk the way they did the same about Subban and others. THAT is the problem I have. Any player is tradeable, but it's just idiotic to try to make your assets worth as little as possible before doing it. Look at TB and how Yzerman didn't cave in to Drouin and maximized his value again before he sold when the positives outweighed the negatives. We did the opposite.

[caperns61]

On 12/16/2018 at 10:12 PM, BigTed3 said:

Imagine you inherit a house (the way Bergevin inherited a 3rd overall pick that he turned into AG). And you know you don't really like where the house is located and your plan is to sell it. Now imagine instead of keeping it clean and painting it, you sit on the property for a while and don't keep it up and then publicly talk about how terrible the place is and accent all the negatives about it... well maybe you still luck out and sell it, but that doesn't discount the fact you didn't maximize your return. It was just stupid of the Habs to publicly devalue Galchenyuk the way they did the same about Subban and others. THAT is the problem I have. Any player is tradeable, but it's just idiotic to try to make your assets worth as little as possible before doing it. Look at TB and how Yzerman didn't cave in to Drouin and maximized his value again before he sold when the positives outweighed the negatives. We did the opposite.

So imagine your trying to sell the house and you had 30 different people look at it and keep giving you low ball offers, and you cannot understand why! Because you kept the paint up job, its looks pretty on the outside and you think its worth much much more.  However your not very good at evaluating your own property because you didn't even realize the underlying issue is not how pretty it looks on the outside. The frame is rotten on the inside. So no matter how often you paint it it is still a shitty house that is rotting from the inside out.  

[BigTed3]

14 hours ago, caperns61 said:

So imagine your trying to sell the house and you had 30 different people look at it and keep giving you low ball offers, and you cannot understand why! Because you kept the paint up job, its looks pretty on the outside and you think its worth much much more.  However your not very good at evaluating your own property because you didn't even realize the underlying issue is not how pretty it looks on the outside. The frame is rotten on the inside. So no matter how often you paint it it is still a shitty house that is rotting from the inside out.  

Well obviously we disagree about the value of the house, but regardless, I still believe the team let the value depreciate and did nothing to restore its value or enhance the odds of selling high.

[HabsAlways]

On 12/16/2018 at 7:12 PM, BigTed3 said:

News flash on PK Subban... was the best defenceman on a great team and won a Norris nomination last year.

News flash on Lars Eller... played a key role in helping his team win a Stanley Cup last season after setting personal bests with 18 goals and 38 points despite tough assignments.

News flash on Max Pacioretty... 17 points in his last 15 games.

News flash on Mikhail Sergachev... 51 points (as a D man) in 112 games since being traded to TB .

News flash on Alex Radulov... 97 points in 105 games since leaving us for Dallas.

 

PK Subban for Webber.      Bad trade yes, but to many GMs we got the better player (I know, I know, I don't agree).    So call this one a slight loss.

Lars Eller .... we got Joni Ikonen and we got ummm Jacob Olofsson or Alex Romanov for him.    I'd say jury is out on who won that.

Max Paccioretty ... despite his success I say we won that one ... Tatar, Suzuki and a 2nd for him was lopsided in our favour.

Sergachev ... this one stinks.    Especially considering how bad we need LD, but Drouin hasn't been bad either.

Radulov ... well yes, we can blame MB for not resigning him ... but Radulov I think is a bit of a mercenary and wanted more than we were offering and wanted less taxes.

Galchenyuk for Domi ... we're the clear winner.

Now ... the actual point I want to make ... a lot of people get hung up on guys like Carr, Scherbak, Sekac, Tinordi etc.    They want to blame our prospect development (which doesn't explain Sekac) or that management undersold/undervalued them.    I would counter that in most cases it seems they got it right. 

Tinordi never went anywhere, in fact we should never have drafted him. 

 Sekac got signed out of europe undrafted to much hype and 4 teams in 2 years in the NHL and he's back to europe.   

Carr is a fringe NHL player at best ... was undrafted and has 15g20a in 100 career games.   And is back to the AHL yet again. 

The is just a small list of the players many fans over-value and somehow think are top line players .. yet have never proven they are in any way.    Yes development can hinder a players growth, but not to the point of ruining them.  Talent is talent.

[BigTed3]

3 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

PK Subban for Webber.      Bad trade yes, but to many GMs we got the better player (I know, I know, I don't agree).    So call this one a slight loss.

Lars Eller .... we got Joni Ikonen and we got ummm Jacob Olofsson or Alex Romanov for him.    I'd say jury is out on who won that.

Max Paccioretty ... despite his success I say we won that one ... Tatar, Suzuki and a 2nd for him was lopsided in our favour.

Sergachev ... this one stinks.    Especially considering how bad we need LD, but Drouin hasn't been bad either.

Radulov ... well yes, we can blame MB for not resigning him ... but Radulov I think is a bit of a mercenary and wanted more than we were offering and wanted less taxes.

Galchenyuk for Domi ... we're the clear winner.

Now ... the actual point I want to make ... a lot of people get hung up on guys like Carr, Scherbak, Sekac, Tinordi etc.    They want to blame our prospect development (which doesn't explain Sekac) or that management undersold/undervalued them.    I would counter that in most cases it seems they got it right. 

Tinordi never went anywhere, in fact we should never have drafted him. 

 Sekac got signed out of europe undrafted to much hype and 4 teams in 2 years in the NHL and he's back to europe.   

Carr is a fringe NHL player at best ... was undrafted and has 15g20a in 100 career games.   And is back to the AHL yet again. 

The is just a small list of the players many fans over-value and somehow think are top line players .. yet have never proven they are in any way.    Yes development can hinder a players growth, but not to the point of ruining them.  Talent is talent.

- The Eller trade netted us Ikonen; we dealt the other pick for two lower picks and took defenceman Jordan Harris and center Sam Houde last year. Debatable who will end up winning the trade, although Eller's already helped the Caps win a Cup and we spent last year desperate for centers. So short-term it was a loss for us. But the worse part is that we traded Eller to make cap space and roster space for Andrew Shaw, for whom we dealt better 2nd round pick... Timmins has made it clear he would have chosen Alex Debrincat and Sam Girard with those choices (even before either played in the NHL, so this wasn't just hindsight), so the overall decision MB made was to get rid of Eller, Debrincat, and Girard for Shaw, Ikonen, Harris, and Houde. That doesn't look very good right now. Overall point I was making though is that Eller has been a success for Washington.

- I agree that we likely end up winning the Pacman trade, because we ended up with assets that help us more than Pacoretty will down the line. But if Vegas makes a Cup run with him, maybe they're also winners. They got a premier scorer and they signed him to a friendly contract. But again, the point is that they have a player playing well for them. The post I was replying to suggested we shouldn't care because Scherbak and Carr and Galchenyuk were under-performing; if it was just about who won or lost deals, well we gave away the first two for nothing!

- As to your last point, I'm not arguing Carr or Scherbak would have been a star here, but I have trouble believing guys like Deslauriers, Agostino, Dwight King, Ott, Martinsen, Mike Brown, Flynn, and so on are better. I have trouble believing we couldn't have given guys like Scherbak and Andrighetto more of a chance instead of playing Deslauriers and other bums. I don't know why we didn't play AG at center to try to boost his value instead of giving top 6 center spots to DLR and McCarron and so on. I don't know why Desharnais got to play 30+ games without a goal as the 1C and get all the 1st wave PP time while guys like Eller and Galchenyuk couldn't buy top 6 center ice time. I don't get why Hudon is being shoved aside now while we play pluggers. I don't get why Benn and Schlemko have more job security than Mete or Juulsen or Reilly.  I don't get why we valued Murray and Bouillon over developing younger guys like Beaulieu and Pateryn and Tinordi. Sure, maybe some of these guys wouldn't turn out any differently, but why ignore your youth/skill, who MIGHT become good players in favor of playing bad veterans like Deslauriers, Alzner, Murray, Ott, King, and so on when you KNOW those players are awful. THAT is what doesn't make any sense.

[caperns61]

News Flash Update

Sherback gets 3.39 minutes of icetime

Well i guess Dejardins does not like russians either

Willie Desjardins said the fact Scherbak played just one shift over the first two periods, and five shifts total, was due to performance. 

 

[maas_art]

4 hours ago, caperns61 said:

News Flash Update

Sherback gets 3.39 minutes of icetime

Well i guess Dejardins does not like russians either

Willie Desjardins said the fact Scherbak played just one shift over the first two periods, and five shifts total, was due to performance. 

 

Its going to be really interesting to see if LA tries to send him down.   If you claim someone off of waivers & try to re-assign them to the minors, the team you claimed them from can actually reclaim and send him to the minors directly.   So, if LA decides they cant keep him on the roster all year, we could theoretically re-claim him & immediately send him to Laval.

Im not sure LA will do this - and im also not 100% positive we'd claim him back to be honest. 

[kinot-2]

The Coyotes touted Galchenyuk as their possible first line center and he started there to start the season, however Chucky now finds himself as the teams third line left winger with only one assist in his last five games and a -6 +/- rating. 

[rocketbelifleur]

8 hours ago, caperns61 said:

News Flash Update

Sherback gets 3.39 minutes of icetime

Well i guess Dejardins does not like russians either

Willie Desjardins said the fact Scherbak played just one shift over the first two periods, and five shifts total, was due to performance. 

 

Some quotes from a Kings' forum:

"Didn't see any glaring mistakes the kid (NS) made. Thought he had some nice games on the road trip too."

" ... putting Scherbak on the 4th (from the 3rd) line....kid didn't do anything to deserve that, no glaring mistakes no defensive defeciencies, played an honest game etc."

"The Scherbak move makes no sense when you see the minutes given to Carter and his results."

"Look, if Scherbak was playing like LaDue, then I get the benching. But he was having a strong game against Pitt and was benched. Odd. Not a fan of WD."

"WD is an awful coach."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "Probably because this coach is clueless."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "He hates Russians. He benched Kovalchuk as well when he was our best player. 

            WD is a disgusting person and an even worse coach. "

There are more.

Not conclusive, but makes you wonder.

[CaptWelly]

5 minutes ago, rocketbelifleur said:

Some quotes from a Kings' forum:

"Didn't see any glaring mistakes the kid (NS) made. Thought he had some nice games on the road trip too."

" ... putting Scherbak on the 4th (from the 3rd) line....kid didn't do anything to deserve that, no glaring mistakes no defensive defeciencies, played an honest game etc."

"The Scherbak move makes no sense when you see the minutes given to Carter and his results."

"Look, if Scherbak was playing like LaDue, then I get the benching. But he was having a strong game against Pitt and was benched. Odd. Not a fan of WD."

"WD is an awful coach."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "Probably because this coach is clueless."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "He hates Russians. He benched Kovalchuk as well when he was our best player. 

            WD is a disgusting person and an even worse coach. "

There are more.

Not conclusive, but makes you wonder.

This almost can be seen on any board especially with offensively gifted players. The fans see a couple of impressive moves or a great shot or some speed and get enticed by it. Where the coaches look at overall performance and sometimes what is needed or asked of that player. A good player can adjust his game to what the coach needs that night even if it's not there strength. Or at least has the willingness to try and do so. The fans always believe "if only X player was turned loose or not held back". For years players had to work their way up the line up. Now it seems that if they were a 1st rounder or were great a the lower level they should be given top minutes in the best situations right away. A strong player that isn't going to be a flash in the pan will learn and work their way up the line up and make themselves to valuable in all situations for them to be sent down. 

[HabsAlways]

19 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

d have been a star here, but I have trouble believing guys like Deslauriers, Agostino, Dwight King, Ott, Martinsen, Mike Brown, Flynn, and so on are better. I have trouble believing we couldn't have given guys like Scherbak and Andrighetto more of a chance instead of playing Deslauriers and other bums. I don't know why we didn't play AG at center to try to boost his value instead of giving top 6 center spots to DLR and McCarron and so on. I don't know why Desharnais got to play 30+ games without a goal as the 1C and get all the 1st wave PP time while guys like Eller and Galchenyuk couldn't buy top 6 center ice time. I don't get why Hudon is being shoved aside now while we play pluggers. I don't get why Benn and Schlemko have more job security than Mete or Juulsen or Reilly.  I don't get why we valued Murray and Bouillon over developing younger guys like Beaulieu and Pateryn and Tinordi. Sure, maybe some of these guys wouldn't turn out any differently, but why ignore your youth/skill, who MIGHT become good players in favor of playing bad veterans like Deslauriers, Alzner, Murray, Ott, King, and so on when you KNOW those players are awful. THAT is what doesn't make any sense.

The problem is expectations ... a guy like Carr maybe would be better than DLO on the 4th line, but a guy like Scherbak who is supposed to be an offensive player is simply not suited for the 4th line or checking role ... as to Hudon, he didn't really impress me much at all this year.    For the role he was being asked to fill, being that our only spots in flux are the 4th line ... well Chaput/Agostino have looked far better and have had some good possession numbers.

[HabsAlways]

1 hour ago, rocketbelifleur said:

Some quotes from a Kings' forum:

"Didn't see any glaring mistakes the kid (NS) made. Thought he had some nice games on the road trip too."

" ... putting Scherbak on the 4th (from the 3rd) line....kid didn't do anything to deserve that, no glaring mistakes no defensive defeciencies, played an honest game etc."

"The Scherbak move makes no sense when you see the minutes given to Carter and his results."

"Look, if Scherbak was playing like LaDue, then I get the benching. But he was having a strong game against Pitt and was benched. Odd. Not a fan of WD."

"WD is an awful coach."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "Probably because this coach is clueless."

"How come Scherbak played less than 4 minutes last night ? Was he injured ?" "He hates Russians. He benched Kovalchuk as well when he was our best player. 

            WD is a disgusting person and an even worse coach. "

There are more.

Not conclusive, but makes you wonder.

Scherbak is one of those guys that when you watch him ... your first impression is he's got the skills.   The problem isn't the skills, it's what's between his ears.    He either doesn't have the drive or the hockey sense to excel at the NHL level.

[H_T_L]

Patches placed on the IR today.