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3 minutes ago, habsisme said:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=209488

7g 3a 10p in 9 games. I've been ringing the warning bells for a while. I wanted to give him the Suzuki deal, now I don't know what he will cost. We finally have an elite goal scorer. Not elite if you squint... ELITE. 

Yep tied for second in the NHL for goals as of 5 min ago!

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12 hours ago, habsisme said:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=209488

7g 3a 10p in 9 games. I've been ringing the warning bells for a while. I wanted to give him the Suzuki deal, now I don't know what he will cost. We finally have an elite goal scorer. Not elite if you squint... ELITE. 

Isn't Caufield signed to an entry level contract which limits how much he can be paid?

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50 minutes ago, habs1952 said:

Isn't Caufield signed to an entry level contract which limits how much he can be paid?

he on the last year of his ELC at the end of this year he's a RFA. I doubt anyone would poach him cause we'll have the cap space but technically anyone can offer a contract. He does not have arbitration rights though

My concern is more how much its going to cost to keep him the longer we wait, im not too worried about losing him

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9 minutes ago, RCAF48 said:

I am a little concerned that CC "might" not wish to sign a long term deal here. The issue I see is not so much hockey related but rather Canada related and Quebec specifically.

I haven't seen anything to show that and he's ours for the next 5 years no matter what. But I think the ideal situation is to lock him up not for 8 years. I'd rather overpay a little now when it doesn't matter and be set up with him on a good deal in years 3 to 8

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37 minutes ago, RCAF48 said:

I am a little concerned that CC "might" not wish to sign a long term deal here. The issue I see is not so much hockey related but rather Canada related and Quebec specifically.

It's always a risk, but as much as people talk about it differently, really, who have we lost because they wanted to leave Canada or Quebec? Even hockey aside, Montreal is an amazing city, and not overly far or a different climate from Caufield's home of Wisconsin.  And importantly: he looks like he's having a blast: if he's doing well, the team is competitive, with a coach he loves and multiple friends on the team, is he really going to be in a rush to leave?

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48 minutes ago, Graeme-1 said:

It's always a risk, but as much as people talk about it differently, really, who have we lost because they wanted to leave Canada or Quebec? Even hockey aside, Montreal is an amazing city, and not overly far or a different climate from Caufield's home of Wisconsin.  And importantly: he looks like he's having a blast: if he's doing well, the team is competitive, with a coach he loves and multiple friends on the team, is he really going to be in a rush to leave?

100% he is no fool Zuke is always looking for him and he can get he puck through just about anything to set Cole up he knows he has it good here. But I agree get this guy locked up and fast he is our new Steve Shutt!

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20 hours ago, Graeme-1 said:

It's always a risk, but as much as people talk about it differently, really, who have we lost because they wanted to leave Canada or Quebec? Even hockey aside, Montreal is an amazing city, and not overly far or a different climate from Caufield's home of Wisconsin.  And importantly: he looks like he's having a blast: if he's doing well, the team is competitive, with a coach he loves and multiple friends on the team, is he really going to be in a rush to leave?

The issue is typically taxes. $6-7 mil/year goes a lot further in many areas of the US especially in places like Tampa and Miami. I think his agent will go for a 2-4yr deal only and then shop around.

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1 hour ago, KDubU said:

The issue is typically taxes. $6-7 mil/year goes a lot further in many areas of the US especially in places like Tampa and Miami. I think his agent will go for a 2-4yr deal only and then shop around.

Taxes are a major source of misunderstanding though. Vancouver has the highest tax rate at 51% and all Canadian teams are over 40% (montreal is 49) but there are lots of US based teams in the mid to high 40s including SJ (46) Washington (44) NYR (45) NYI (45) LA (46) Anaheim (46) etc.   In fact, several US based teams are higher tax rates than Calgary and Edmonton (both 43%)


And thats not taking into account that most (all?) of these guys use accountants that are very good at burying wealth in stocks and asset management to get those tax percentages way down, regardless of where the player lives/plays. 

 

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6 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Taxes are a major source of misunderstanding though. Vancouver has the highest tax rate at 51% and all Canadian teams are over 40% (montreal is 49) but there are lots of US based teams in the mid to high 40s including SJ (46) Washington (44) NYR (45) NYI (45) LA (46) Anaheim (46) etc.   In fact, several US based teams are higher tax rates than Calgary and Edmonton (both 43%)


And thats not taking into account that most (all?) of these guys use accountants that are very good at burying wealth in stocks and asset management to get those tax percentages way down, regardless of where the player lives/plays. 

A lot of teams are starting to use signing upfront bonus money that is taxed in domiciles and very different tax treatments than salary which is taxed mostly on where the employment income or games are played - home games taxed in Quebec etc. , away games a little diferent. The greaseball Matthews did this in his long term contract

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

A lot of teams are starting to use signing upfront bonus money that is taxed in domiciles and very different tax treatments than salary which is taxed mostly on where the employment income or games are played - home games taxed in Quebec etc. , away games a little diferent. The greaseball Matthews did this in his long term contract

You can call him a grease ball but I'd say that's just being smart. So if CC does the same is he a grease ball? 

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1 hour ago, CaptWelly said:

You can call him a grease ball but I'd say that's just being smart. So if CC does the same is he a grease ball? 

In future I will avoid using disrespectful terms towards any players to avoid comparative ass umptions such as this. Auston got great advice from his accounting and legal teams. I expect Cole and others to follow similar advice

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On 10/30/2022 at 2:22 PM, Graeme-1 said:

It's always a risk, but as much as people talk about it differently, really, who have we lost because they wanted to leave Canada or Quebec? Even hockey aside, Montreal is an amazing city, and not overly far or a different climate from Caufield's home of Wisconsin.  And importantly: he looks like he's having a blast: if he's doing well, the team is competitive, with a coach he loves and multiple friends on the team, is he really going to be in a rush to leave?

 

23 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

Jeff Petry

Sorry you asked :)

Petry is one, yes. There are others too, and I don't have a comprehensive list here, but to name a few more:

- Radulov. MB is on record as saying he gave the same offer to Radulov that Dallas did and Radulov is on record in the Russsian press as saying the taxes made the difference for him as to why he chose Dallas.

- Eric Desjardins when he was traded to Philadelphia made it pretty clear he never wanted to play in Quebec again and that he was happy to get out because of the media and fan attention.

- Tomas Vanek went to Minnnesota, not so much because he hated Quebec but because his wife wanted to be close to home.

- Some other players have been reported to have refused trades to Canada or have specifically listed all or many of the Canadian teams on their NTCs. Jakob Chychrun is one who is reported to have done that.

- Tyler Bertuzzi refused to get vaccinated and as such wasn't allowed in Canada and said he wouldn't change that stance and as such wouldn't go to play for a Canadian team while that vaccination policy was in place.

- Eric Lindros refused to play in Quebec City. Some reports are that it was because they were bad, but others have said he also didn't want to play in a French city. Who knows.

- Johnny Gaudreau specifically ruled out playing for a Canadian team because he wanted to be in the US and not have to travel across a border to see his family. His teammates Matthew Tkachuk was also rumored to have told the Flames he wouldn't go to another Canadian team if traded there and that he exclusively wanted to play in the US.

- John Scott put up a tweet recently in response to another tweet that was since taken down that said "reason #327219797 (or whatever) why players don't want to play in Canada." Sort of suggests that there are a faction of players who specifically don't want to come here and that this is a known thing.

 

I mean look, I fully believe there are players who absolutely do not want to play in Canada or Quebec or any place with a certain tax rate or so on. There are probably others who favor playing in Canada. I get the feeling a number of Quebecers specifically don't want to play here because of the media pressure, and then there might be others who do want to come home. I do think it goes both ways, but in general, I'd say there are likely more players who look down on playing in Canada or Quebec than see it as a plus, whether that's for taxes, language, governmental policy, the hassle of border travel, or whatever else. But to me, it's a real issue. You can't fix everything, but at the very least I do think the NHL, if it were to be fair, would adjust the salary cap to make it a cap based on take-home money and not pre-tax, because it does give some teams a huge advantage in free agency.

 

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3 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Nah Matthews is a greaseball! 

I'm sure if he was scoring 60+ a year for the HABS you "may" not say the same. I guess I can appreciate players accomplishments without them playing for the Habs. Well maybe except for Marchand but thats mostly because he's dirty player. He does still have talent though. 

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